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first day on the job sharing an office

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with these three old apollo guys one of

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whom thought it was the funniest thing

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in the world to show up drop 10 books of

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advanced mathematics on my desk and tell

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me that this is what i needed to learn

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to be able to do thermal analysis

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i was so horrified

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i remember to this day i went home that

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night and i literally cried i called my

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mom i thought i'm never gonna be able to

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do this i'm never gonna be able to work

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at nasa

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well it turned out that was just sort of

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this guy's sense of humor and and to the

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day he retired every time he saw me he

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would ask me if i'd figured out yet how

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to solve some partial differential

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equation or another so it was quite an

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initiation to nasa for me

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i never really

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i honestly thought of myself as a girl

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at nasa

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but

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because these guys never treated me that

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way they always treated me just like

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one of the team and i think they they

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enjoyed

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interacting with them but boy it was

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like oil and water sometimes it was

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really different

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the shuttle lightweight seats was the

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first assignment i was given and they

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decided here we go we got rami let's

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give her this task that nobody's been

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able to convince the program to go pay

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for this this ought to be amusing and so

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they sent me off to go convince the

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orbiter project manager

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that he should fix the seats well of

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course fixing the seats was money

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so i i can

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remember i dutifully went and did all my

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research and gathered all my data and

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figured out how much it was going to

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cost and

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and i thought well i'm just going to go

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in and i'm going to tell him this very

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logical story and he's going to want to

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replace the seats by the time the

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meeting is over he's yelling at me

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across the table and i'm yelling back at

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him and

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at the culmination after all this

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yelling was said and done and i told my

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story

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they look across my shoulder behind me

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to my boss and the and the at the time

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deputy orbiter program manager says to

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him tom does this work need to be done

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and

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all tom says is he just nods his head

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yes

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and after all this right i've just i've

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gone here and i've bared my soul on the

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table and we're screaming at each other

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and i just think it's going awful and

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it's done

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and that was what it was like and they

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paid for it and we went and we did it

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and but that was what decision making

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was like sort of earning your stripes in

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front of the program manager and showing

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him that you knew what you were talking

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about you'd done your research you were

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willing to defend your position and it

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didn't matter what his rank was versus

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yours you were gonna tell him what you

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so what i would want people to see

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and i

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a lot of times i measure let's have a

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very small world i have my nasa world

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and i have my eight-year-old those are

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the things i have right my family and my

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work so i judge everything by a lot what

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i think what

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what gets

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me excited as being a lead for something

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like orion

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is

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that's going to open up

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not just for me

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but for her

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you know i look forward to what

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her generation will do with that

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capability where they'll go with it what

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they'll what they'll do with it where

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giving them that tool

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that